Comments on: Questionable Theology in Our Music: “Enemy’s Camp” http://www.qwertyuppy.com/2009/06/questionable-theology-in-our-music-%e2%80%9cenemy%e2%80%99s-camp%e2%80%9d/ Now with 90% less monkey Wed, 19 May 2010 17:46:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Roger http://www.qwertyuppy.com/2009/06/questionable-theology-in-our-music-%e2%80%9cenemy%e2%80%99s-camp%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-47992 Roger Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:44:38 +0000 http://www.qwertyuppy.com/?p=912#comment-47992 I thank you all for your comments. Something about this post has dramatically increased traffic to this website, albeit a week after the post was made. First of all I would like to address the fallacy that I am unfamiliar with metaphor. I do know very well what metaphor is and how it is used. I have used it often myself. I completely understand the use of metaphor in this song. I think anyone who is caught up on that point has missed the bigger picture that I was attempting to relate. Therefore, I think J D King has made some great points, while Agreeing with JDKing has not. Secondly, I do not believe that the song was based on king David. The lyrics continue on to say, "He's under my feet...Satan is under my feet." I do not correlate that with David's experience. I can see how you would find that connection if you expressly went looking into the OT for something to possibly correlate it to, but I don't think that was the author's intent. On the other hand, I really don't want to presume too much about the author's intent. I just want to relate my thoughts on the matter. In all, I'm happy about the participation of those who left comments. I do think that those who sought to say something about me, personally, are out of line, if well intentioned. I put nothing at all about myself in the post, except the admission that I don't like the song. :) I thank you all for your comments. Something about this post has dramatically increased traffic to this website, albeit a week after the post was made.

First of all I would like to address the fallacy that I am unfamiliar with metaphor. I do know very well what metaphor is and how it is used. I have used it often myself. I completely understand the use of metaphor in this song. I think anyone who is caught up on that point has missed the bigger picture that I was attempting to relate. Therefore, I think J D King has made some great points, while Agreeing with JDKing has not.

Secondly, I do not believe that the song was based on king David. The lyrics continue on to say, “He’s under my feet…Satan is under my feet.” I do not correlate that with David’s experience. I can see how you would find that connection if you expressly went looking into the OT for something to possibly correlate it to, but I don’t think that was the author’s intent. On the other hand, I really don’t want to presume too much about the author’s intent. I just want to relate my thoughts on the matter.

In all, I’m happy about the participation of those who left comments. I do think that those who sought to say something about me, personally, are out of line, if well intentioned. I put nothing at all about myself in the post, except the admission that I don’t like the song. :)

]]> By: Coronda http://www.qwertyuppy.com/2009/06/questionable-theology-in-our-music-%e2%80%9cenemy%e2%80%99s-camp%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-47990 Coronda Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:36:40 +0000 http://www.qwertyuppy.com/?p=912#comment-47990 Biblically speaking, I believe this song was based on David at Ziklag in I Samuel 30 when they went into the enemies camp and took back what they sole from them. You say that Satan cannot steal from us, but God's word says Satan purpose is to kill, steal and destroy in John 10:10. Also Jesus talks about Satan stealing the word in Matthew 13 in the parable of the sower and the seed. Yes we have to take responsiblity for our actions but we also have to beware that is why we watch for the enemies attacks and devices. I am not aware of any man that has the ability to look into someone's heart to see their relationship with God, so some of the comments you made, maybe you need to seek God and ask Him to show you your heart. Biblically speaking, I believe this song was based on David at Ziklag in I Samuel 30 when they went into the enemies camp and took back what they sole from them. You say that Satan cannot steal from us, but God’s word says Satan purpose is to kill, steal and destroy in John 10:10. Also Jesus talks about Satan stealing the word in Matthew 13 in the parable of the sower and the seed. Yes we have to take responsiblity for our actions but we also have to beware that is why we watch for the enemies attacks and devices. I am not aware of any man that has the ability to look into someone’s heart to see their relationship with God, so some of the comments you made, maybe you need to seek God and ask Him to show you your heart.

]]> By: Jeff http://www.qwertyuppy.com/2009/06/questionable-theology-in-our-music-%e2%80%9cenemy%e2%80%99s-camp%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-47988 Jeff Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:05:49 +0000 http://www.qwertyuppy.com/?p=912#comment-47988 I'm glad someone is paying attention to the lyrics of some of these songs! Excellent points made ... no one is more guilty of stealing or losing the spiritual treasures we've been given than ourselves. The sooner we admit it, the closer our walk with the Lord will become. (1 John 1) I’m glad someone is paying attention to the lyrics of some of these songs! Excellent points made … no one is more guilty of stealing or losing the spiritual treasures we’ve been given than ourselves. The sooner we admit it, the closer our walk with the Lord will become. (1 John 1)

]]> By: Agreeing with JDKing http://www.qwertyuppy.com/2009/06/questionable-theology-in-our-music-%e2%80%9cenemy%e2%80%99s-camp%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-47987 Agreeing with JDKing Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:56:36 +0000 http://www.qwertyuppy.com/?p=912#comment-47987 Ya, listen to J.D. The song is a metaphor. But attacking it literally, you obviously don't understand literature or lyric. John 10 tells us specifically that our spiritual enemy is a thief. Your little rant simply shows ignorance. Ya, listen to J.D. The song is a metaphor. But attacking it literally, you obviously don’t understand literature or lyric. John 10 tells us specifically that our spiritual enemy is a thief. Your little rant simply shows ignorance.

]]> By: J.D. King http://www.qwertyuppy.com/2009/06/questionable-theology-in-our-music-%e2%80%9cenemy%e2%80%99s-camp%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-47986 J.D. King Mon, 22 Jun 2009 13:28:57 +0000 http://www.qwertyuppy.com/?p=912#comment-47986 While I agree with your theological abstractions, I think you miss the fact that much of the song is simply a metaphor. I don't believe the author of the song had a literal camp in mind as he wrote it. I think the real intent for the is for Christians to stand up strong and expect God to bring a real experience of restoration and change in their lives right now. The actual language about the "enemies camp" is drawing from Old Testament metaphors. I understand your disagreement, but I think that you are taking the song way too literally. While I agree with your theological abstractions, I think you miss the fact that much of the song is simply a metaphor. I don’t believe the author of the song had a literal camp in mind as he wrote it. I think the real intent for the is for Christians to stand up strong and expect God to bring a real experience of restoration and change in their lives right now. The actual language about the “enemies camp” is drawing from Old Testament metaphors. I understand your disagreement, but I think that you are taking the song way too literally.

]]> By: Ricky http://www.qwertyuppy.com/2009/06/questionable-theology-in-our-music-%e2%80%9cenemy%e2%80%99s-camp%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-47985 Ricky Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:26:02 +0000 http://www.qwertyuppy.com/?p=912#comment-47985 We sing this song in our church often. After reading this, I don't know if I will look at it the same again. I always wondered why some people didn't respond well to that song. GREAT points throughout about this song and the importance of looking into a song's theology. We sing this song in our church often. After reading this, I don’t know if I will look at it the same again. I always wondered why some people didn’t respond well to that song. GREAT points throughout about this song and the importance of looking into a song’s theology.

]]> By: Jeremy http://www.qwertyuppy.com/2009/06/questionable-theology-in-our-music-%e2%80%9cenemy%e2%80%99s-camp%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-47984 Jeremy Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:22:29 +0000 http://www.qwertyuppy.com/?p=912#comment-47984 Well said! It's about time we started examining more closely the songs we are singing in church. Often they are theolgicaly/doctrinally unsound, speak nothing of Jesus and what He has done or promised to do, give no hope, no substance or sense of God's presence. They are often based on the rythym of the tune to excite or whatever. Many of these so called Christian artists are frustrated musicians who can't make it in the secular world and so keep trying to bring out a 'hit' in Christian music. They are like pop idol candidates trying to make money and sell records. Many of the songs and hymns of the past were written out of a deep experience of God and salvation and not some flimsy 'love song' that could mean anything whether Christian or not. Let's get soem true worship back into our public worship instead of idol worship. By the way, I do like both some of the old and new songs! I'm not anti all new songs but we do need to more discerning! Well said! It’s about time we started examining more closely the songs we are singing in church. Often they are theolgicaly/doctrinally unsound, speak nothing of Jesus and what He has done or promised to do, give no hope, no substance or sense of God’s presence. They are often based on the rythym of the tune to excite or whatever. Many of these so called Christian artists are frustrated musicians who can’t make it in the secular world and so keep trying to bring out a ‘hit’ in Christian music. They are like pop idol candidates trying to make money and sell records. Many of the songs and hymns of the past were written out of a deep experience of God and salvation and not some flimsy ‘love song’ that could mean anything whether Christian or not. Let’s get soem true worship back into our public worship instead of idol worship.
By the way, I do like both some of the old and new songs! I’m not anti all new songs but we do need to more discerning!

]]> By: Krissy http://www.qwertyuppy.com/2009/06/questionable-theology-in-our-music-%e2%80%9cenemy%e2%80%99s-camp%e2%80%9d/comment-page-1/#comment-47977 Krissy Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:18:06 +0000 http://www.qwertyuppy.com/?p=912#comment-47977 You have some very good points here. I must admit, I have let my prayer and bible reading slip away. You have some very good points here. I must admit, I have let my prayer and bible reading slip away.

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